Revisited – This is a re-posting of two recipes from my old blog, Café of the East.

The soft and fluffy texture of the water-roux bun.
In 2004, a Chinese cookbook called ‘65°C湯種麵包’ was published and it soon became very popular with the Chinese bloggers. The book introduced to the Chinese baking community a new way of making soft breads and filled buns using a 65°C water-roux paste. Since then, all sorts of recipes using this method have been popping up all over the Chinese websites.
The innovation of this technique of making bread is the inclusion of a ‘water-roux (湯種 Tang Zhong)’, that is cooking portion of the flour and water first (as opposed to cooking flour and butter for a proper roux in the traditional sense) before adding it to the rest of the ingredients. The water-roux is supposed to allow the dough to absorb more liquid due to the gelatinization of the starch in the flour, thereby allowing the finished buns to have a fine soft texture and not get stale as quickly.
Any Asian-style buns made with the more traditional Sweet Bun Dough can be made using this water-roux method, thereby cutting out the need to add any artificial bread softener or improver.
The following is the basic recipe using the 65°C water-roux paste for sweet bun dough (湯種甜麵糰) to go with sweet filling. At the end of the recipe, I have also included another variation for savoury roll dough (湯種調理麵糰) to go with savoury filling, the method of preparation is the same.

Pork Floss Buns and Coconut Cream Buns made with water-roux sweet bun dough.
Japanese-Style Sweet Bun Dough 湯種甜麵糰
Makes 16 buns
[Ingredients]
375g bread flour
100g plain flour
35g milk powder
75g caster sugar
3/4 teaspoon salt
1 sachet (7g or 2 1/2 tsp) instant dry yeast
1 egg, lightly beaten
150ml (approx.) lukewarm water, adjust as necessary
40g butter, cubed
Water-Roux Paste (湯種) *:
25g (just under 2 tbsp) bread flour
125ml (1/2 cup) water
* Water-Roux is basically 1 part bread flour to 5 parts water.
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[Preparation]
Water-Roux (湯種):
Mix flour and water in a small saucepan. Cook over low to medium heat, stirring continuously until it reaches 65ºC. It should have thickened to a paste at this stage, that is when you stir you can see the bottom of the pan. Remove from heat, place a cling film over the paste and leave until lukewarm, or room temperature, before using. (Alternatively if you don’t have a thermometer, cook as before until it starts to thicken, then continue to cook for about 1 more minute before removing from heat.) This water roux can be kept in an airtight container after cooling in the refrigerator for 1 day if not used immediately. However DO NOT USE if it turns grey in colour, that means it has gone bad.

Water-roux paste.
For the Bun Dough:
1. Sift bread flour, plain flour, milk powder, caster sugar and salt onto the working surface. Add instant dry yeast and mix well. Form the flour mixture into a well. Add lightly beaten egg and lukewarm water roux and mix in. Gradually add just enough lukewarm water to form into a slightly sticky, soft dough. Knead for 10 minutes until smooth and elastic. During hand kneading, the dough also needs to be thrown onto the working surface once every few minutes between kneading to improve the dough structure. (I usually just pick up the dough to about head-high and throw it down onto the working surface 10 to 20 times every few minutes between kneading.)
2. Knead in butter until incorporated. (In many cookbooks, they mentioned that the dough at this stage should be able to be pulled and stretched into membrane, but it’s hard to achieve with hand kneading. I usually stop kneading when the dough sticks to the work surface and stretches like chewing gum when pulled!) Form the dough into a round ball and let it rise until double in size in a large greased bowl, cover with cling film (should take about 1 hour in warm weather, longer in winter months). Optimum room temperature for this first prove is 28°C with a humidity of 75%. To test if the dough has risen properly, dip a finger into bread or plain flour and poke down into the centre of the dough as far as your finger will go and pull out again – the hole should remain if it is ready. If the dough springs back, then it is not ready, continue to prove further.
3. Punch down, knead briefly and form into a ball shape. Then divide into 16 equal portions. The easiest way is to first divide equally into 4 larger portions first, then divide each of these again into quarters each. Form each into balls and let rest for 10 minutes.

Plain water-roux buns before final proving..
4. Shape and fill the buns according to recipe. Place all finished buns on a greased baking sheet, lightly cover with cling film, and let rise until double in size (about 1 hour in warm weather, longer in winter months). Optimum room temperature for this final prove is 38°C with a humidity of 85%.

Plain water-roux buns after final proving (double in size).
5. Bake in preheated 190°C oven for about 12 to 15 minutes, or until golden brown.

Plain water-roux buns after baking.
[Variations]
This is a variation of the above recipe for use with savoury filling, the preparation is the same as above:

Savoury buns such as Hotdog Buns and Ham Buns made with water-roux bun dough.
Japanese-Style Savoury Roll Dough 湯種調理麵糰
Makes 16 buns
[Ingredients]
325g bread flour
150g plain flour
20g milk powder
50g caster sugar
1 teaspoon salt
1 sachet (7g or 2 1/2 tsp) instant dry yeast
2 eggs, lightly beaten
100ml (approx.) lukewarm water, adjust as necessary
75g butter, cubed
Water-Roux Paste (湯種) *:
25g (just under 2 tbsp) bread flour
125ml (1/2 cup) water

The texture of the Pai Pau made with water-roux bun dough.
Taste: Soft, fluffy and light
Consume: Equally good served warm or at room temperature
Storage: Can be kept for up to a week in airtight container in the refrigerator, re-heat in the oven or microwave before serving
Recipe Reference: ‘基本65°C湯種甜麵糰’ and ‘基本65°C湯種調理麵糰’ recipes from the cookbook ‘65°C湯種麵包’ by 陳郁芬
Hi, 汤种 bread is our favourite, I just baked 2 loaves of Hokkaido milk loaf, studded with cranberries, an hour ago. The taste is indeed so soft & fluffy !
Comment by lorrine — September 1, 2008 @ 4:49 pm |
I love this recipe…had been using it to make all kinds of buns for my DS school lunches….so versatile….substituted WWF or rye flour partially sometimes.
Comment by asan — September 27, 2008 @ 2:18 am |
I have tried this recipe several times but failed to obtain the desired results. I think it should be the way i cooked the water-roux paste without a thermometer. Will get a cooking thermometer and try again.
Comment by 3princesses — October 16, 2008 @ 4:07 am |
3princesses,
The kneading process and the proofing process are very important too. If you have time, please read the comment section of the same post in my old blog, Cafe of the East, they could be useful to you.
Comment by SeaDragon — October 16, 2008 @ 6:16 am |
is there a volume conversion of the ingredients?
Comment by deb lee — November 5, 2008 @ 3:13 pm |
deb,
I’ve a conversion table for ingredients using 250ml-cup/20ml-tablespoon in my forum.
Comment by SeaDragon — November 5, 2008 @ 7:44 pm |
Hello… can I use regular milk instead of powder?
Comment by Judy — January 19, 2009 @ 6:32 pm |
Judy,
Just omit the milk powder, and use milk (you need to warm it up to lukewarm) instead of the lukewarm water.
Comment by SeaDragon — January 20, 2009 @ 8:25 am |
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Hi Sea Dragon,
Is there a chance you can post of picture of your package of your sweetened whipped cream? Did you whip the cream yourself? Will it be okay to leave the bun at room temperature for a day or two? Thanks.
Wendy
Comment by Wendy — January 25, 2009 @ 4:52 pm |
Wendy,
I seldom buy commercial whipped cream, I always whip it myself. The sweetened whipped cream post is here:
http://cornercafe.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/creme-chantilly/
Yes, you can leave the buns at room temperature for a day or two in cool temperature but keep it under cover or better still in airtight container, but best to keep chilled in hot weather.
Comment by SeaDragon — January 25, 2009 @ 6:43 pm |
Thank you, SeaDragon, for the sweetened whipped cream recipe. I wonder how I can sweetened it. Now I know. Your coconut cream buns look beautiful. Wendy
Comment by Wendy — January 26, 2009 @ 5:36 pm |
Hi SeaDragon,
Seems like a lovely recipe. Can the dough for this be made in a breadmaker? Would love to try. Thank you.
Comment by Lilly — February 8, 2009 @ 7:21 am |
Lilly,
Yes, you can use bread maker to knead the dough.
Comment by SeaDragon — February 8, 2009 @ 1:19 pm |
I tried this recipe yesterday and it took me almost 3 hours for proving the dough.
Today I dissolved the yeast with 50ml warm water and wait for 10 mins to double the volume, then mixed the dough and followed the recipe. The result was the same but only took me 2 hours for the result.
I’ll try replacing water with milk tomorrow.
Comment by Pearl — February 16, 2009 @ 12:20 pm |
Pearl,
You did use instant yeast and not active dry yeast, right? In winter time, 3 hours is not that uncommon at room temperature, I usually put it into very low oven to proof during winter for a quicker result. However, the longer proving time usually turns out very flavourful buns
Comment by SeaDragon — February 19, 2009 @ 10:04 pm |
Hi! I love your blog – you’re so talented! I had to use granulated sugar instead of castor, since I didn’t have any on hand. Also, I had to use milk. I wish I could have done it your way. Thanks for sharing!
Comment by Zoua — March 6, 2009 @ 3:22 pm |
Zoua,
Thanks for the kind words.
Comment by SeaDragon — March 8, 2009 @ 10:40 am |
Hey! this recipe looks soooo good. anyway, can i use active dry yeast and let it turn foamy in the lukewarm water before adding it to the flour mixture? thanks so much in advance (:”
Comment by Cherie — March 7, 2009 @ 1:26 pm |
Cherie,
Yes, you can use active dry yeast, but you have to increase the amount to 10.5g and dissolve it in a little of the lukewarm water until bubbly, then proceed as per recipe.
BTW, the conversion for yeast is as follows:
Fresh Yeast : Active Dry Yeast : Instant Yeast = 3 : 1.5 : 1
Comment by SeaDragon — March 8, 2009 @ 10:45 am |
Hi, I was wondering what type of butter did you use? salted or unsalted?
Comment by Tiff — March 8, 2009 @ 10:17 am |
sorry another question…
I’m confused what to do with the water roux paste? When do I add it in?
Comment by Tiff — March 8, 2009 @ 10:22 am |
Tiff,
I always use salted butter (please refer to ‘About the Recipes’ page in the side bar).
Add the water roux after you form a well with the flour mixture in Step 1 – ‘Add lightly beaten egg and lukewarm water roux and mix in.’
Comment by SeaDragon — March 8, 2009 @ 10:57 am |
Hi SeaDragon
I’m a newbie at baking came across your fabulous blog a few weeks ago while looking for Ma Lai Koh recipes (I haven’t tried your ‘modern version’ yet).
Your Photos, info and instructions are brilliant and on my very first attempted today I successfully made Char Siu Bao and bor lor bao using your Japanese-Style Sweet Bun Dough. it took all day as the first proof took 2 hours and the second 3 hours (I live in not so sunny UK) however it was worth the wait! The bread has a really good texture light and soft.
I have registered to join HCC a few days ago but haven’t received a activation email/ pass word, I’ve checked my spam, nothing there. I would be grateful if you would look into this for me, or let me know what I need to do next, Thanks
Comment by caramac — March 16, 2009 @ 6:13 am |
caramac,
Glad to hear you’ve had success with your first attempt.
In regards to HCC, there is no activation email, you should be able to log in straight after you registered. If you still have problems logging in, let me know.
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Hi! I love the coconut filled buns we get at a mall near us so i want to make these!
Would the end result still be good if used all purpose flour?
Comment by charlotte — April 28, 2009 @ 9:55 am |
Hi charlotte,
No, please don’t use only ap flour to make this buns, the texture will be totally different.
Comment by SeaDragon — April 29, 2009 @ 9:22 pm |
Hi seadragon,
i just want to know what kind of oven do u use?
does it have a blower inside the oven cause ur bread look evenly baked?
Nice blog!!
cheers
Comment by everine — April 30, 2009 @ 7:35 pm |
everine,
I have an ancient gas oven, so no fan/blower or anything fancy. As every oven has its own quirk, so get to know your oven and adjust your baking accordingly.
Comment by SeaDragon — May 2, 2009 @ 11:10 am |
hi seadragon,
just so happens I made water roux yesterday and bake a batch od taro stuffed buns .am not very happy with the outcome(didn’t use your recipe) I wanted to try your japanese sweet dough recipe since i have water roux left in my fridge.ca I ask how much 25G flour and 125ml water yeild? by the way, your posting on how to shape buns is great. very clear detailing. thanks!
diane
Comment by diane — May 7, 2009 @ 8:00 am |
That should give you roughly 150g of water roux or just a bit less.
Comment by SeaDragon — May 10, 2009 @ 6:49 pm |
seadragon, is all purpose flour the same as plain flour? can i substitute it and still get the same results? thx.
Comment by madimomi1@yahoo.com — May 16, 2009 @ 8:36 am |
Yes, the same thing, ‘all-purpose flour’ is the U.S. name, most other countries call it ‘plain flour’.
Comment by SeaDragon — May 16, 2009 @ 12:04 pm |
Dorothy,
Here’s the conversion as requested for US cup of 240ml. Please, I stress again that measuring by volume is not accurate, as flour and other dry ingredients when measured, depending on how compacted or loosely packed, could varies quite considerably by weight.
Japanese Sweet Bun Dough:
2 3/4 cups + 1 1/4 tablespoons bread flour
3/4 cup all-purpose flour
5 3/4 tablespoons milk powder
5 3/4 tablesoons fine granulated sugar
3/4 teaspoon salt
1 sachet (2 1/2 tsp) instant dry yeast
1 egg, lightly beaten
2/3 cup (approx.) lukewarm water, adjust as necessary
1 1/3 tablespoons butter, cubed
Water-Roux Paste:
3 tablespoons bread flour
1/2 cup + 1 teaspoon water
Comment by SeaDragon — May 22, 2009 @ 5:52 pm |
I love your blog! I try to make the coconut bun. But it was not soft and light. It was a little bit crusty on the top. And not that fluffy in the middle. What did I do wronG?
Comment by Fonky — May 29, 2009 @ 8:22 am |
Fonky,
If you don’t get soft and fluffy buns, they were probably due either to your kneading or proofing of the dough. I’ve answered similar questions before in my old blog, please read the comments section under this post for the answers.
Comment by SeaDragon — May 30, 2009 @ 10:37 am |
Hey! love yr blog!
im a newbie at baking and yr blog is really helpful. Am going to try this recipe soon, once i get my thermometer haha!
hope you dont mind me linking you!
Comment by B.Rueh — June 30, 2009 @ 12:42 am |
No worries
Comment by SeaDragon — July 2, 2009 @ 8:15 pm |
Hi SD,
Nice blog you have here. Very interested to make this recipe. I was thinking of making this into a loaf.
One question, do i use all of the water-roux in one portion of this dough?
Thanks
SL
Comment by SL — July 22, 2009 @ 1:11 pm |
Yes, the whole amount of water-roux is used here.
Comment by SeaDragon — July 23, 2009 @ 3:30 pm |
Hi SeaDragon,
I was looking for a recipe for buns(round ones), and came across to your site. I was surprised that Japanese buns look exactly as our European wraps: same shape, same shines and color. When I looked at the recipe I saw the unusual ingredient for me – water roux. We also don’t use dry mil. So I was wondering what water roux is for. If it’s for enhancing gluten then wouldn’t it make the texture chewy as there is already bread flour?
Thank you,
Emma
Comment by Ema — July 24, 2009 @ 10:16 am |
Ema,
The water roux is basically used to prolong the freshness of the buns without the need to use artificial bread improver. Please read the post above, I’ve explained it there.
Comment by SeaDragon — July 24, 2009 @ 7:49 pm |
Hai, may I copy this recipe to my folder??? Thanks for nice recipe
Comment by lia — July 24, 2009 @ 7:31 pm |
It is fine if it is for your own use only. If you want to share it with other people, please link it back here.
Comment by SeaDragon — July 24, 2009 @ 7:51 pm |
Oke, i want your site to be linked at my website…this is my site http://rosmalia-momsdiary.blogspot.com, if you like, i just ask your permission..
Your recipe i keep for my own use only…I love your site…thanks very much…
I’m just new comer of baking bread..:))
Comment by lia — July 24, 2009 @ 8:40 pm |
No worries, thanks for letting me know.
Comment by SeaDragon — July 25, 2009 @ 11:11 am |
one more question…hehehe…there is a recipe that mention whip cream in ingredient of bread…is it usefull to make bread more softer???
Thanks before
Comment by lia — July 24, 2009 @ 8:44 pm |
Can’t say without looking at the recipe. Usually if they add cream, it is just a substitute for the butter and milk/water portions of the recipe.
Comment by SeaDragon — July 25, 2009 @ 11:13 am |
Hi SeaDragon,
Thank you for the answer.
Ema
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Do you have recipe mexican bun, in asia (singapore, malaysia and Indonesia), called “Roti Boy” (maybe recipe with using water roux)…bun which has coffee flavour at topping…
If u have it, please share with me, very thank u before
Comment by lia — September 17, 2009 @ 2:00 pm |
I’ve done coffee flavoured one using mocha coffee paste essence, but not sure if it is anything like the ‘roti boy’ ones, it is here.
Comment by SeaDragon — October 4, 2009 @ 10:24 am |
Hi SD,
I totally agreed that we should do the full portion of the water roux even though we will end up having to sacrifice half!! I failed my second trial last week coz I forgot to use only half the amount of water roux. Today, on my third trial, I finally got the perfect cocktail bun from my own kitchen. Can’t tell you how excited I was when my husband gave me both thumbs up after he gobbled up his first one fresh from the oven and coming back for second. The buns were awesome, soft, fragrant and moist with gooey filling oozing out on the second bite. My kids can’t stop eating them. After this raving success, I will be so confident to make the full protion and produce 16 buns in one go. My whole family can enjoy fresh HK style buns in our Vietnam home now. Many thanks for the wonderful recipe, it is a staple in our family. I have promoted your site to many of my friend here.
By the way, I am looking forward to signing up as a member so I could get to try out many more exciting recipes of yours. When will registration be re-opened?
Comment by MLee — November 10, 2009 @ 8:37 pm |
Congrats, it is so nice to hear of your success finally. As to the Home Cooking Club forum, I’ve closed it down, so won’t be accepting any more members, sorry about that.
Comment by SeaDragon — November 15, 2009 @ 6:09 pm |